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	<title>Comments on: Lies, Misogyny, and the Carrie Prejean Nude Photo Scandal</title>
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		<title>By: Jenn Q. Public</title>
		<link>http://www.jennqpublic.com/lies-misogyny-and-the-carrie-prejean-nude-photo-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-1834</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn Q. Public</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 09:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the attention Carrie Prejean is getting, I think many on the left are unintentionally feeding her balloon a steady supply of hot air, and it&#039;s far more detrimental to them than it is to her.  On the other hand, you&#039;ve got anti-gay marriage advocates who think a hot chick can bring the sexy to their movement and (they hope) stop it from circling the drain in some parts of the country.  My guess is that this round is either zero-sum or slight advantage to social conservatives.

Eclectic Radical wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The point is that her moral grounding finds it unacceptable to allow consenting adults to marry while finding it entirely acceptable for a minor child to pose semi-nude for a lingerie catalog.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How does a decision she made at 17 (or even a year ago) have anything to do with her religious values today?  We don&#039;t have any idea what her spiritual leanings were at that point in her life, so how could we possibly know that they&#039;re inconsistent with her current moral/religious beliefs?

But even if her relationship with God and religion is the same today as it was four years ago, I don&#039;t see why a Christian conservative who defends &quot;opposite marriage&quot; must automatically classify implied nudity as immoral.  What does one have to do with the other?  Why can&#039;t this woman believe that the human body is beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of ~and~ that God wants marriage limited to hetero couples?  Would you condemn pro-gay marriage Catholics for inconsistently embracing Catholic values, or would you praise them because they happen to be on the same page as you?

As for social cons believing that women shouldn&#039;t have the choice to pose nude, that was certainly the hope of the people trying to embarrass Carrie Prejean.  Now they&#039;re riled up because the social cons didn&#039;t live up to their stereotypes by condemning Prejean for showing the world her back. 

I&#039;m no fan of Maggie Gallagher, and I don&#039;t know anything about her attacking Andrea Thompson.  But for a lot of people there&#039;s a big difference between someone who appeared nude in an erotic film anchoring the news and an underwear model bringing a little attention to a conservative organization.  Neither one makes a difference to me and I would defend both women from being shamed for their respective pasts, and come down on anyone who attacked them.

This would all be a non-issue if some liberals weren&#039;t trying so hard to discredit Prejean.  Her 15 minutes would already be up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the attention Carrie Prejean is getting, I think many on the left are unintentionally feeding her balloon a steady supply of hot air, and it&#8217;s far more detrimental to them than it is to her.  On the other hand, you&#8217;ve got anti-gay marriage advocates who think a hot chick can bring the sexy to their movement and (they hope) stop it from circling the drain in some parts of the country.  My guess is that this round is either zero-sum or slight advantage to social conservatives.</p>
<p>Eclectic Radical wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>The point is that her moral grounding finds it unacceptable to allow consenting adults to marry while finding it entirely acceptable for a minor child to pose semi-nude for a lingerie catalog.</p></blockquote>
<p>How does a decision she made at 17 (or even a year ago) have anything to do with her religious values today?  We don&#8217;t have any idea what her spiritual leanings were at that point in her life, so how could we possibly know that they&#8217;re inconsistent with her current moral/religious beliefs?</p>
<p>But even if her relationship with God and religion is the same today as it was four years ago, I don&#8217;t see why a Christian conservative who defends &#8220;opposite marriage&#8221; must automatically classify implied nudity as immoral.  What does one have to do with the other?  Why can&#8217;t this woman believe that the human body is beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of ~and~ that God wants marriage limited to hetero couples?  Would you condemn pro-gay marriage Catholics for inconsistently embracing Catholic values, or would you praise them because they happen to be on the same page as you?</p>
<p>As for social cons believing that women shouldn&#8217;t have the choice to pose nude, that was certainly the hope of the people trying to embarrass Carrie Prejean.  Now they&#8217;re riled up because the social cons didn&#8217;t live up to their stereotypes by condemning Prejean for showing the world her back. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no fan of Maggie Gallagher, and I don&#8217;t know anything about her attacking Andrea Thompson.  But for a lot of people there&#8217;s a big difference between someone who appeared nude in an erotic film anchoring the news and an underwear model bringing a little attention to a conservative organization.  Neither one makes a difference to me and I would defend both women from being shamed for their respective pasts, and come down on anyone who attacked them.</p>
<p>This would all be a non-issue if some liberals weren&#8217;t trying so hard to discredit Prejean.  Her 15 minutes would already be up.</p>
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		<title>By: Eclectic Radical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eclectic Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 18:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am bothered by the degree of attention Carrie Prejean is getting at all. I think those on the right who are embracing, defending, or brandishing her like a weapon and those on the left who are attacking her share a failure of proper priorities. 

I do have a problem with the way the left is portrayed by even many in the center when it makes pointed statements about individuals expressing right wing views. When a woman claims religious motivations for attacking gay marriage, it might not be nice to drag out a nude photo of her as a seventeen year old girl, but that does not mean the fact that her family&#039;s religious values did not draw the line at a seventeen year old girl posing for Victoria&#039;s Secret should not give us pause for consideration of the religious basis for her argument. The photo isn&#039;t &#039;that bad&#039;, no, but the horrifying nature of the photo isn&#039;t the point. The question of whether or not Carrie Prejean is &#039;a slut&#039; isn&#039;t the point either. 

The point is that her moral grounding finds it unacceptable to allow consenting adults to marry while finding it entirely acceptable for a minor child to pose semi-nude for a lingerie catalog. Regardless of one&#039;s position on either of these moral questions, it is legitimate to make note that the latter is not compatible with the moral/religious grounding for the former. When people proclaim their moral superiority, which is what religious fundamentalists who attack homosexuality on religious grounds are doing, they invite scrutiny into their own moral life.

When the right attacks individuals on the left for their supposed moral turpitude, they proclaim themselves to be the guardians of public morality. When the left questions the legitimacy of their credentials in this area, it is &#039;liberal sleaze.&#039; 

I don&#039;t have a problem with women posing nude if they so choose, nor do most liberals. The point is that social conservatives supposedly do. Except when they consider said person to be a champion of moral values. Then the nude photo is beyond the pale and making note of the inconsistent embrace of Christian values is a horrible misogynist attack.

Where was Maggie Gallagher when CNN anchor Andrea Thompson was the target of a &#039;horrible misogynist attack&#039; over her nude glamor shots early in her career? Oh, I remember now...

She was attacking Ms. Thompson for being a slut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am bothered by the degree of attention Carrie Prejean is getting at all. I think those on the right who are embracing, defending, or brandishing her like a weapon and those on the left who are attacking her share a failure of proper priorities. </p>
<p>I do have a problem with the way the left is portrayed by even many in the center when it makes pointed statements about individuals expressing right wing views. When a woman claims religious motivations for attacking gay marriage, it might not be nice to drag out a nude photo of her as a seventeen year old girl, but that does not mean the fact that her family&#8217;s religious values did not draw the line at a seventeen year old girl posing for Victoria&#8217;s Secret should not give us pause for consideration of the religious basis for her argument. The photo isn&#8217;t &#8216;that bad&#8217;, no, but the horrifying nature of the photo isn&#8217;t the point. The question of whether or not Carrie Prejean is &#8216;a slut&#8217; isn&#8217;t the point either. </p>
<p>The point is that her moral grounding finds it unacceptable to allow consenting adults to marry while finding it entirely acceptable for a minor child to pose semi-nude for a lingerie catalog. Regardless of one&#8217;s position on either of these moral questions, it is legitimate to make note that the latter is not compatible with the moral/religious grounding for the former. When people proclaim their moral superiority, which is what religious fundamentalists who attack homosexuality on religious grounds are doing, they invite scrutiny into their own moral life.</p>
<p>When the right attacks individuals on the left for their supposed moral turpitude, they proclaim themselves to be the guardians of public morality. When the left questions the legitimacy of their credentials in this area, it is &#8216;liberal sleaze.&#8217; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with women posing nude if they so choose, nor do most liberals. The point is that social conservatives supposedly do. Except when they consider said person to be a champion of moral values. Then the nude photo is beyond the pale and making note of the inconsistent embrace of Christian values is a horrible misogynist attack.</p>
<p>Where was Maggie Gallagher when CNN anchor Andrea Thompson was the target of a &#8216;horrible misogynist attack&#8217; over her nude glamor shots early in her career? Oh, I remember now&#8230;</p>
<p>She was attacking Ms. Thompson for being a slut.</p>
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		<title>By: Alma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 06:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Luke 17 in the New Testament, Jesus said that one of the big &quot;signs&quot; that will happen shortly before His return to earth as Judge will be a repeat of the &quot;days of Lot&quot; (see Genesis 19 for details). So gays are actually helping to fulfill this same worldwide &quot;sign&quot; (and making the Bible even more believable!) and thus hurrying up the return of the Judge! They are accomplishing what all of the Bible-thumpers couldn&#039;t accomplish! Gays couldn&#039;t have accomplished this by just coming out of closets into bedrooms. Instead, they invented new architecture - you know, closets opening on to Main Streets where little kids would be able to watch naked men having sex with each other at festivals in places like San Francisco (where their underground saint - San Andreas - may soon get a big jolt out of what&#039;s going on over his head!). Thanks, gays, for figuring out how to bring back our resurrected Saviour even quicker!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Luke 17 in the New Testament, Jesus said that one of the big &#8220;signs&#8221; that will happen shortly before His return to earth as Judge will be a repeat of the &#8220;days of Lot&#8221; (see Genesis 19 for details). So gays are actually helping to fulfill this same worldwide &#8220;sign&#8221; (and making the Bible even more believable!) and thus hurrying up the return of the Judge! They are accomplishing what all of the Bible-thumpers couldn&#8217;t accomplish! Gays couldn&#8217;t have accomplished this by just coming out of closets into bedrooms. Instead, they invented new architecture &#8211; you know, closets opening on to Main Streets where little kids would be able to watch naked men having sex with each other at festivals in places like San Francisco (where their underground saint &#8211; San Andreas &#8211; may soon get a big jolt out of what&#8217;s going on over his head!). Thanks, gays, for figuring out how to bring back our resurrected Saviour even quicker!</p>
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