Obama to Supporters: “Get in Their Face”; One Supporter Responds: “Mind if I Use My Knife?”; Update: Hoax

Update, 10/24/08: Ashley Todd’s story was a complete fabrication. I’ll leave the post up, but I’m turning off comments because I can’t spend all day forwarding death threats against Ashley to the authorities. If you have something you need to get off your chest, use the contact form.

Update, 10/25/08: More on this racist cretin’s politics, including her participation in the Ron Paul campaign.  I was inclined to believe she was a self-absorbed loser looking for attention, but the Ron Paul connection screams nutjob.  At least she’s not a real McCain supporter.

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Remember when Barack Obama told his supporters that they should seek out independents and Republicans “to argue with them and get in their face”? Well, at least one Obama supporter has reportedly taken that battle cry quite literally. Via Drudge comes this terrifying story of a young McCain volunteer named Ashley Todd who was savagely attacked for her political allegiances:

Pittsburgh Police are investigating a report by a campaign staffer for John McCain that she was mugged and the letter B was cut into her face following a robbery in Bloomfield last night.

Police say the 20-year-old woman, who is from Texas, reported that the attack occurred around 9 p.m. after she withdrew $60 from an ATM at Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street.

She said a man armed with a knife demanded her money. She gave it to him and began walking toward her car, which has McCain stickers.

Although the robber had moved away from her, he became agitated when he saw her car, punched her in the back of the head, pushed her to the ground and carved a B into her face, she reported.

Fox News reports that John McCain called Ashley this afternoon, and the Obama campaign extended their thoughts as well. KDKA says Sarah Palin also called the victim.

The right side of the blogosphere is already rife with suspicion that this brutal attack could be a hoax and that it has “a Tawana Brawley feel.” Some find it suspect that the incident occurred outside the range of ATM surveillance cameras and suspicious that the victim refused medical treatment at the scene. Other skeptics point to the fact that a photograph of the woman shows a backwards “B” carved into her face, as though she used a mirror to mutilate herself.

Others are inclined to believe the report and think it’s unlikely a woman would intentionally scar herself that way. Rob Taylor reminds us it ain’t easy to blacken your own eyes. HillBuzz is demanding that Obama condemn the actions of his follower and Gateway Pundit is horrified.

My thoughts go out to Ashley Todd, and I hope this incident doesn’t deter her from continuing to be involved in the political process.

But here’s my big picture take: It doesn’t matter whether Ashley was genuinely attacked for her political beliefs. What counts is that the story seems entirely plausible, and that’s scary. It’s entirely believable that an Obama supporter would viciously maim a McCain volunteer because we expect that behavior from people who delight in smearing the minor children of politicians.

Even if Ashley’s story proves to be completely false, ask yourself whether you believe it could happen. Do you want to vote with people you expect to physically attack their political opposites, or against them?

Update: Michelle Malkin also calls b.s. I still say the veracity of Ashley Todd’s story is neither here nor there. It’s the notion that vicious behavior from one of Obama’s enraged followers isn’t at all shocking that should give you pause.

Comments

51 Responses to “Obama to Supporters: “Get in Their Face”; One Supporter Responds: “Mind if I Use My Knife?”; Update: Hoax”

  1. SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH UPDATE: PHOTO ADDED | Right Voices on October 23rd, 2008 8:24 pm

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  2. Sarah palin on October 23rd, 2008 8:45 pm

    And of course it’s implausible McCain fans would attack Obama supporters. Impossible, even!!!! MCCAIN/PALIN 08!!!!!

  3. stan on October 23rd, 2008 10:11 pm

    This is the most insane post I’ve ever read. It doesn’t matter whether it’s the truth? It’s that people could IMAGINE it to be true? Isn’t that the essence of prejudice and bigotry? That, no proof needed, we just need to be able to IMAGINE that you people could commit these crimes? You really are living in a completely unreal universe.

  4. Jenn Q. Public on October 23rd, 2008 10:33 pm

    Wow stan, reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, is it? Do you know what the terms prejudice and bigotry mean? Oh, wait, those are the accusations you hurl at Rethuglicans when you want to shut them up, right?

    Let me reiterate my point, and I’ll try to use nice small words. News of this attack is not surprising because it fits with widely reported behavior of Obama’s supporters. It is easy to believe because so many McCain supporters have been berated, intimidated, and smeared. Many others have had their campaign signs stolen or defaced and their cars and homes damaged and vandalized by Obama supporters.

    I simply ask people to remember that there’s a reason stories like the one about Ashley Todd are so readily believed: violence is just the next step in a election season filled with donation fraud, voter and voter registration fraud, vicious smears, and destructive acts by Democrats.

    The truth about this case matters, but not as far as the big picture is concerned. If Ashley Todd was not genuinely attacked by an Obama supporter, I hope she is brought up on charges and that she gets psychological help.

  5. Brian on October 23rd, 2008 10:38 pm

    What world are you living in? Oh, my:

    “Even if Ashley’s story proves to be completely false, ask yourself whether you believe it could happen.”

    Yes, please don’t imagine the world we actually live in. Believe in a fantasy world instead. Maybe one where Republican tax cuts created a surplus and shrunk the deficit, instead of DROWNING US ALL DEBT (and our grandchildren too). Imagine a world where grand deregulation and “free markets” actually brought the average person prosperity, instead of DESTROYING THE WORLD’S ECONOMY like we’re living through right now. Imagine a world where, after giving a Republican administration greater powers after 9/11, they used it to Bin Laden to justice, instead of INVADING IRAQ and WHOLESALE SPYING ON MILLIONS OF LAW ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZENS. Etc, etc, etc!

    Please imagine that world if you want to and curl up into a fetal position dreaming about it and then PLEASE STAY HOME ON ELECTION DAY. Your lunatic beliefs are destroying our country and our future. Please get yourself some help.

  6. Jenn Q. Public on October 23rd, 2008 10:49 pm

    Ladies and gentlemen, the comedy stylings of Brian the troll.

  7. merge divide on October 23rd, 2008 10:50 pm

    Call me a cynic… but if I’m going to rob a woman at knife-point in front of an ATM on the busiest street in Bloomfield (which happens to be the almost-entirely-white Little Italy section of town), I’m not going to stick around afterwards to see what bumper stickers she has on her car, and then double-back to carefully scratch (it was certainly not “carved” as some would have it) a very neat backwards (or upside-down) “B” into her cheek (therefore making a political statement), and tell her I’m “teaching her a lesson”. Especially if I know that Sean Hannity just happens to be in town the next day.
    I guess it’s within the realm of possibility…

  8. Brian on October 23rd, 2008 10:54 pm

    Thank you for the name calling. It’s a clear indication that my arguments sustain themselves.

  9. Cynthia on October 23rd, 2008 10:55 pm

    JQP, the trolls hate to be shown their image in a mirror. They see this hate crime and they will do any thign they can to distract from the relation to the Obambi campaign. I feel sorry for Miss Todd and I agree that her story symbolizes something deeply embedded in the liberal mindset that can not be ignored anymore. McCain/Palin!

  10. Poe Jlumber on October 23rd, 2008 10:57 pm

    I’ll eat my hat if this wasn’t a hoax.

  11. Jenn Q. Public on October 23rd, 2008 11:02 pm

    No, Brian, it’s a clear indication that I’m not going to waste my time debating someone who has no interest in the truth, as evidenced by your account of Republican tax cuts taken straight from a list of liberal talking points. Perhaps I shouldn’t have called you a troll, but when you call me a lunatic, it’s an easy assumption to make. I’d be happy to see you prove me wrong, but I don’t have high hopes.

    Look, I bought into the liberal lies for a long time, so I know how seductive they can be. Maybe you’re still young and will see the error of your ways, and I hope that America is still a great republic when you come around.

  12. Scarecrow Person on October 23rd, 2008 11:12 pm

    >> simply ask people to remember that there’s a reason stories like the one about Ashley Todd are so readily believed

    Yeah, because so many on the extreme edges of both parties foist fear upon their base and use it relentlessly to create dissention and raise the ire of their supporters. And while both are doing it now, the Right has the distict advantage of years of experience with the tactic on their side.

    Seriously, if you believe that one side is violent and horrible and the other isn’t (or that either side has even a more than slight percentage that are), you have not only swallowed the kool-aid but are filling up the cups for the people who haven’t had any yet.

  13. Rob Taylor on October 23rd, 2008 11:15 pm

    Yes, please don’t imagine the world we actually live in. Believe in a fantasy world instead. Maybe one where Republican tax cuts created a surplus and shrunk the deficit, instead of DROWNING US ALL DEBT (and our grandchildren too). Imagine a world where grand deregulation and “free markets” actually brought the average person prosperity, instead of DESTROYING THE WORLD’S ECONOMY like we’re living through right now. Imagine a world where, after giving a Republican administration greater powers after 9/11, they used it to Bin Laden to justice, instead of INVADING IRAQ and WHOLESALE SPYING ON MILLIONS OF LAW ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZENS. Etc, etc, etc!

    This is a joke right? You put free markets in quotes as if it isn’t our free market economy keeps you sitting on your fat white ass spinning conspiracy theories about how Al Gore, a man who claimed we should invade Iraq PRIOR to 9/11 would have done things differently. I think Jenn is being kind calling you a troll because you’re in reality a retarded douchebag.

    It is public record thatr Barney Frank and Chris Dodd blocked regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. You can literally SEE VIDEO OF THEM DOING IT. And you’re claiming Republicans tanked the economy? Asinine.

    The economy is being destroyed thanks to sub-prime lending. Do you morons even know what that is? It’s making loans to poor people who can’t afford them. It was YOU who voted in Clinton and Frank and Dodd who created that system.

    Spying on millions of law abiding citizens? Name three. Name three Americans who were obeying the law who were spied on. You can’t can you?

    Your strong reaction to the story is largely due to the fact that you dream about abusing women in a similar way and are upset someone beat you to it. That must be why you’re here yelping out every nonsensical meme you picked up at DailyKos. I guess your next comment will include something about Jews, or New York money men.

    You make me, and most people related to you no doubt, sick.

  14. Unka Fred on October 23rd, 2008 11:22 pm

    If a robber of limited education had done this, the backward “B” would have been misspelled from a lack of visiting the “lie-berry”.

  15. JP on October 23rd, 2008 11:38 pm

    Well, the B wouldn’t have been backwards to the robber if he was standing at her head looking down the length of her body. The stories don’t say he was straddling her or pinning her down.

    On the other hand I’d think he’d be in a hurry to get it done and get out of there and it would either be deeper in places or missing parts where it was more shallow.

    On the third hand didn’t I read about a reporter getting kicked from behind at a McCain rally?

    It’s the same way some sports fans act to fans of the opposing team (in fact, its pretty mild for sports fans around here- they break bones).

    Locally 6 politicians (members of both major parties) had their homes/garages vandalized (spray painted message) all in the same night – all similar message.

  16. Jake on October 23rd, 2008 11:40 pm

    “It’s the notion that vicious behavior from one of Obama’s enraged followers isn’t at all shocking that should give you pause.”

    Of course because clearly your paranoia and gullibility makes reality obsolete.

  17. snerdly_mortsnerd on October 23rd, 2008 11:41 pm

    Ohh MAN, Brian!

    That post is so freakin’ beautiful, I just need to re-post it!

    Sing it Brother!

    —————–
    Originally Posted by Brian:

    What world are you living in? Oh, my:

    “Even if Ashley’s story proves to be completely false, ask yourself whether you believe it could happen.”

    Yes, please don’t imagine the world we actually live in. Believe in a fantasy world instead. Maybe one where Republican tax cuts created a surplus and shrunk the deficit, instead of DROWNING US ALL DEBT (and our grandchildren too). Imagine a world where grand deregulation and “free markets” actually brought the average person prosperity, instead of DESTROYING THE WORLD’S ECONOMY like we’re living through right now. Imagine a world where, after giving a Republican administration greater powers after 9/11, they used it to Bin Laden to justice, instead of INVADING IRAQ and WHOLESALE SPYING ON MILLIONS OF LAW ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZENS. Etc, etc, etc!

    Please imagine that world if you want to and curl up into a fetal position dreaming about it and then PLEASE STAY HOME ON ELECTION DAY. Your lunatic beliefs are destroying our country and our future. Please get yourself some help.

  18. Brian on October 23rd, 2008 11:48 pm

    I called your beliefs “lunatic”, not you. We can easily change our beliefs based upon evidence and reasoning. However, it’s a harsh word and I apologize for that.

    Your main point still seems to be “what counts is that the story seems entirely plausible.” You’re basically saying that if a potential smear job merely “sounds plausible”, that people should believe it and/or act upon it. No, they shouldn’t. The truth actually does matter.

    Furthermore, every single elected Democrat and all Obama volunteers that I know would roundly condemn any violence like this. As far as the phrase “get in their face”. Please look at the context of it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDur9CDZ4 . It’s clear that it was a passing phrase made in the context of TALKING with people.

    I sense that this is merely an attempt to deflect attention from the CORE STRATEGY of the McCain campaign, which is to DEMONIZE Barack Obama. They portray him as a “terrorist”, “socialist”, “un-American”, and all manner of untermenschen. They’re throwing as much mud as they can’t talk about their actual policies. Core Republican beliefs have damaged our country and they’re going to suffer a wholesale routing on November 4th.

    Desperate people take desperate measures. Democrats aren’t desperate. This poor girl may be. I have profound sympathy for her regardless.

  19. paratha on October 23rd, 2008 11:56 pm

    Maybe people from both parties act up sometimes but there is a consistent record of illegal and unethical practices on the left. Just look at the National Review today, every other word written is devoted to the Obama campaign’s fraudulent fundraising to the tune of millions of dollars.

  20. snerdly_mortsnerd on October 24th, 2008 12:00 am

    Desperate people take desperate measures. Democrats aren’t desperate. This poor girl may be. I have profound sympathy for her regardless.

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    Why do you have sympathy for her?
    Would you have sympathy for the fictitious, dyslexic attacker?

    Frankly, folks that ‘bear false witness’ for personal (or political) gain are the most disgusting, unsympathetic POS on the planet.

  21. Rob Taylor on October 24th, 2008 12:07 am

    Bullshit. What about the Obama supporter who just assualted a woman in Manhattan, or the Democrats who attacked Republicans at the RNC convention where they tried to blind a octegenarian with chemicals?

    What the Florida Republican whose house had his window’s shot out? These are all stories that happened just recently, the Florida story happend yesterday. I hear no condemnations from you of those people.

    The left is rabid and ready for violence. We on the right need to be prepared to defend ourselves by any means necessary. That’s why it’s important to get the word out.

    And to Jenn: You see how it is now? You can’t reason with these people. they’ll never condemn a fellow Marxist. They’ll laugh and snicker and jerk themselves off to rape fantasies where Republicans always preparing for the civil war they will initiate. Don’t bother trying to be reasonable with these White liberal scum.

    Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.-Malcolm X

  22. Jonathan Abbey on October 24th, 2008 12:33 am

    “It’s the notion that vicious behavior from one of Obama’s enraged followers isn’t at all shocking that should give you pause.”

    That it isn’t at all shocking to you, does give me pause. I’m a supporter of Obama, and the thought of someone who is supporting Obama doing this certainly shocks me. I’ve never heard Obama say one thing to encourage anything like this, nor even to make intemperate comments that would tend to demonize or dehumanize McCain/Palin.

    Have you?

  23. Brian on October 24th, 2008 12:37 am

    Rob,

    That’s an excellent point about Frank and Dodd. They SHOULD have fought for regulation. This is NOT a Democrat vs Republican argument. It’s about whether the richest people will be allowed to control the government for their own benefit. To that end, Bill Clinton and the Republican Congress should NOT have passed the deregulation in 1999 that led to this. Also, deregulation in the 80′s by Reagan and a Dem congress caused the S&L debacle in the early 90′s. (Keating Five? sorry.) Like you, I’m all for regulation to prevent corruption on Wall Street.

    Deregulation is what ALLOWED sub-prime lending to occur. Previously, banks owned the loans they made and they had an incentive to make smart loans. Deregulation allowed banks to sell those loans to Wall Street and the customer-bank relationship was broken. Other, new mortagage brokers never had ANY regulations at all. These companies made money by making as many loans as possible and–because they immediately sold the mortgage on the securities market–they never had any risk. Also, Greenspan himself ENCOURAGED people to take out these crazy loans. These loans were AGRESSIVELY marketed to all kinds of people. Mortgage companies paid their employees bonuses to make as many loans as possible because that is how they made their money–on the FRONT END. It’s not fair to only blame working class people who were told they COULD afford these loans.

    Finally, I’m not a “douchebag”. I work, pay my taxes, give to charity, and believe that each of should be treated equally under the law. The fact that the wealthiest have made out like bandits and the rest of us are now paying for it, is a clear indication that the laws are not treating us all equally.

  24. Jenn Q. Public on October 24th, 2008 12:38 am

    I called your beliefs “lunatic”, not you…. I apologize for that

    Brian, my beliefs are who I am, but I appreciate the apology.

    Your main point still seems to be “what counts is that the story seems entirely plausible.” You’re basically saying that if a potential smear job merely “sounds plausible”, that people should believe it and/or act upon it. No, they shouldn’t. The truth actually does matter.

    Yes, the truth matters, as I stated in my first comment on this post. No one should get away with a smear or false accusation. I think you misunderstand my point, which is not that people should believe this woman, but that if the story of the attack sounds true, it says something about our expectations of the Obama campaign and Obama’s supporters. By the same token, if her story sounds totally off-base to you, it says that you expect better of Obama’s supporters – makes sense if you’re voting for him.

    I wish that I didn’t have so many reasons to doubt Barack Obama and his supporters. I wish that we had two presidential candidates that were both so stellar the decision would be difficult and either possible election outcome would be acceptable. But from my perspective, that isn’t the case.

    Furthermore, every single elected Democrat and all Obama volunteers that I know would roundly condemn any violence like this.

    FWIW, I wrote in my post that the Obama camp condemned the attack. However, there’s a loud cry from the left side of the blogosphere condemning the victim, and as you noted, she deserves our sympathy either way. I’m glad to hear there are more reasonable folks out there.

    As far as the phrase “get in their face”. Please look at the context of it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDur9CDZ4 . It’s clear that it was a passing phrase made in the context of TALKING with people.

    Oh, come on. Of course there was more context to his comment and anyone who can use Google can see that. Anyone who follows politics (and they damn well better if they care about this election) knows the context. But a lot of people felt Obama was calling for his supporters to be intimidating and that his comment was over the line. It’s up to each of us to decide.

    I sense that this is merely an attempt to deflect attention from the CORE STRATEGY of the McCain campaign, which is to DEMONIZE Barack Obama.

    If I replaced “Barack Obama” with “John McCain” in that sentence, it could have come out of my mouth. Fortunately for Obama, he has the majority of the mainstream media (not to mention his league of Axelturfers) working for him to demonize his opponent.

    They portray him as a “terrorist”, “socialist”, “un-American”, and all manner of untermenschen. They’re throwing as much mud as they can’t talk about their actual policies.

    Obama’s policies are socialist. That’s not propaganda. That’s not a smear. His policies will grow the government and discourage self-reliance. He wants to “spread the wealth around,” not to help the needy, but for the sake of “fairness.” Does that really sit well with you or do you understand his ideas differently?

    I don’t expect you to agree with me and I don’t have the time right now to lay out a comprehensive argument. But I encourage you to read up on the ways bad regulations and too much regulation contributed to the current financial crisis.

    Thanks for commenting in the “agree to disagree” spirit. :)

  25. Rob Taylor on October 24th, 2008 12:46 am

    No you are a douchebag because you know you’re lying and assume we’re all too dumb to realize you know that the sub-prime loans were forced on banks by … government regulations.

    I’m not for regulation at all. It was the C.R.A. that forced banks to give loans to bad credit risks or face penalties, which is what created a market for sub-prime loans. The free market was hamstung by neo-marxist policies put into place by Jew hating commie Jimmy carter and strengthened my Bill Clinton.

    But you already know that. What you may not know is how it sounds when you claim “the working class” isn’t responsible for their own debts. It sounds like typical elitist (dare i say) douchebaggery that relegates blue collar workers to the status of children.

    it is those people, who are defaulting on houses, boats and expensive cars they couldn’t afford, that have also left us on the hook so spare me your class warfare drivel.

  26. Brian on October 24th, 2008 12:51 am

    I believe we all agree that violence during an election is WRONG. Windows, signs, tires, etc…it’s wrong to hurt others or their property. Period.

    Will you agree that Obama is not a terrorist, socialist, or anti-American? I believe for the McCain camp and their surrogates to make those kinds of insinuations will INCITE violence in people. There are many videos of McCain rally attendees making demonizing statements about Obama and I believe it’s because of the statements from the McCain leadership.

    This campaign should be about this issues that matter to the lives of every day Americans. it should NOT be about using midleading arguments to frighten them into voting a certain way.

  27. Jenn Q. Public on October 24th, 2008 1:03 am

    Jonathan, since the attack shocks you, I hope you’ll speak out against it. The left could use more people who speak for victims no matter what their political bent.

    Regarding your other point about intemperate comments, Obama and his surrogates demonize McCain and Palin every chance they get, just like they did with Hillary Clinton. If you want examples, just hit Google – there are hundreds.

    Obama himself doesn’t need to dirty his hands with dehumanizing Palin and McCain – he has the mainstream media to do that for him. All of the newspapers that are printing endorsements of Obama are the same ones who printed thousands of column inches worth of lies about Sarah Palin and plenty more about John and Cindy McCain. It has become par for the course to print a lie today and a retraction tomorrow. The retractions never get read and the lies remain in the memories of thousands.

  28. Rob Taylor on October 24th, 2008 1:04 am

    I didn’t say violence was wrong. I say Malcolm X was right about White liberals in 50 years ago and what he said about them stands. None of you white devils spoke out against violence at the RNC convention, at the woman who got brutalized in Manhattan or the dozens of attacks on Republicans that have happened EVERY election cycle since 2000 and now you say violence is wrong?

    Too late kids. You and your “fellow travelers” have made it clear that there can be no civil discourse or lasting peace with you. Obam is a socialist (as are you) in that you’re supporting Fabian socialist policies. But there are plenty of American socialists who don’t condone the voter fraud of ACORN, the attempt to set a sleeping child on fire in his fathers house which is what Ayers and Dorhn literally did or pretend attacking Republicans is acceptable.

    The issue now isn’t this election, it’s whether my Republican brothers and sisters will bow down to people like you and let you intimidate, assault and enslave us. I say no. I say it’s time the right gets as radical as the left is.

    Edited by Jenn Q. Public to remove comments you should make from your own blog, not mine.

    If the spoiled rich White elite want to fight a war on we “imperialists” I say let’s do this.

  29. Brian on October 24th, 2008 1:06 am

    Yes, there were many factors involved. So let me simplify my point in an attempt to find common ground. Over the past thirty years, the richest have gotten much richer and the middle class and poor have gotten poorer. Agreed?

    Government policies that support worker rights and prevent corruption in big business will help our economy be more stable because it will grow the middle class. Would you agree with that?

  30. Jonathan Abbey on October 24th, 2008 1:08 am

    Of course I speak out against it, to anyone who’ll listen. But I’m not a member of ‘the left’, thank you very much.

  31. Rob Taylor on October 24th, 2008 1:09 am

    Don’t you edit my post Jenn Q. Public!!! Fascism!!!

  32. Steph on October 24th, 2008 1:12 am

    I think this could be a hoax. Yes, it’s entirely possible that it’s true. But I’m skeptical.

    The robbery, I believe. But, as a theater major, I know how to do stage makeup to do realistic bruises/cuts. The fact that she did not want medical treatment after the fact AT ALL makes me skeptical.

    If I was beaten, I’d at least go to the doctor to make sure I don’t have some sort of fracture or concussion or something.

    Also, I can lightly scratch my skin and have it raise up like her cheek is raised. My skin just reacts that way. A fingernail could do it. A KNIFE? I doubt any violent robber could be that gentle.

    If this is true, than the man should go to jail. But this shouldn’t be reflective of the campaign. People are going to be radical. People in all religious, political, sports groups are fanatics sometimes. And bad people. This should NOT be used to change people’s minds about who they’re voting for.

    If this is true they should just leave it at what it is: a bad person doing a brutal illegal deed.

    But like I said, I can recreate the picture without question and without problems…or knives.

  33. ChokeOnAFatOne on October 24th, 2008 1:13 am

    “It’s entirely believable that an Obama supporter would viciously maim a McCain volunteer because we expect that behavior from people who delight in smearing the minor children of politicians.”

    Wow. When did you narrow-minded, tunnel-visioned bigots stop seeing people as people? Why must it be “an Obama supporter” or “a McCain supporter”?
    Maybe it was just some messed-up-in-the-head mofo on a crack binge or something. Maybe that “B” stood for b*tch. Maybe he wasn’t so much looking at the bumper sticker, as the car she was driving. Who knows? You weren’t you there.
    I myself believe that she put the B there herself. It’s barely scratched into her face. But wouldn’t that make another nifty publicity stunt for the republicans, being the Sarah Palin novelty has worn off now that many people with brains see how much of a joke she is? What if we could conjure up some sympathy votes with a story about how a mean black man hurt a poor little white girl, simply for supporting McCain?
    Almost too obvious, ladies.

    In any event, all of these hate blogs and outraged posts are speculation and I believe you losers are taking it too far.

    You honestly believe that all of the McCain supporters are just way better people than Obama supporters?
    Because someone who’s murdered many in the name of our country is obviously way more moral than someone who hasn’t?
    What really gets me about Republicans is the pro-choice abortion clinic bombings and murdering millions of people in other countries for crap that has NOTHING TO DO WITH US but hey… that’s okay! GOD will make exceptions for your reasoning, right?

    What it comes down to is there’s good people and not-so-good people everywhere, of every race, religion and gender. Making bold generalizations like the ones you’ve been making here are not only ignorant, but they’re one of the primary reasons that I will be voting for Barack Obama in this election. I’m sick of seeing Americans seperate themselves from their own people when numerous other countries hate us and would like to see us perish for our liberties.
    Do what your presidential pick suggests he does and “Put country first.”

    Stop the hate.

  34. Jenn Q. Public on October 24th, 2008 1:13 am

    Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.-Malcolm X

    I don’t know, Rob. Maybe I’ll just send him to you!

  35. GFSDNA on October 24th, 2008 1:20 am

    I just want to know what the numbers are relating to the type of loans/mortgages that are at the root of this problem. A primary mortagage, second mortgage, HELOC, Investment mortgage and so on. Every application for a mortgage you are required to disclose what type of property the note is to purchase.

    I relocated to FL house hunted from 2001 through 2004 home construction completed 12/2005. While searching in new subdivisions most of the prime lots were not available to me because the agents and other parties had purchased 5 to 10 home/lots with 2% down and wanted to sell to me when built. I took my money from put 90% down and purchased 1 home. Now most of the agents and some new freinds that wanted me to buy more lots are facing foreclosure…. BAD INVESTMENT DECISIONS. Why do I have to bail them out I could go on and on. During this time the papers in the suncoast are advertised housing being 50 % over priced and people were still buying. In summer of 06 my home could been sold for over 900K that is 400k more that what I paid, well that is crazy. I did not sell because I did not want to by a house in that market no matter what I got for mine. Well now the owners of these elephants are in trouble. Sell downsize and start over. ASK NOT WHAT YOU COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY. JFK did not mean to pay more taxes. I am a life long democrat, son of a WWII vet, I am voting for McCain Palin……

  36. Rob Taylor on October 24th, 2008 1:21 am

    No Brian the poor have not gotten poorer. The poor in America have lifestyles equal to that of the middle class in most countries. I grew up poor and most of my family is still poor and all have multiple cars, multiple T.V.s and more food than the truly poor, in countries like Cuba, Ecuador and Saudi Arabia, can ever hope to see.

    And the Middle Class shrunk in this country because most people are moving up to income levels where they are technically rich. The Democrat plan to grow the middle class is to literally pull those people back down.

    And that’s the essence of Fabian socialism which is what you’re promoting. Pulling successful people down so that the state has more people dependent on them, and thus subservient to them.

    Now economics aside. Political violence aimed at the right must be responded to. All Americans can learn this lesson from the Black Power movement of the 60s and 70s. My family are all black and have been here since the 1700s and they can tell you that the new found respect Democrats and their militant wing at the time (the Ku Klux Klan) have for Blacks came from fear. After we armed ourselves and started making it clear that we would not be victims then Democrats were all peace, love and “let’s talk issues” and clearly it is that time again.

    If the left wants war in the streets twe should give it to them.

  37. Jenn Q. Public on October 24th, 2008 1:24 am

    Steph – I agree your explanation is possible. Time will tell, I suppose. Perhaps on Friday we’ll learn that she visited a doctor to have her injuries examined.

  38. Brian on October 24th, 2008 1:25 am

    Really? I say “violence is wrong” and you say “too late kids”. Really?

    Regarding ACORN: Mickey Mouse is NOT going to show up at the polls to vote. There’s been a few dozen people over the past decade who have been charged with actual voting fraud. (However, hundreds of thousands of people have been improperly purged from the voter rolls and thus been illegally disenfranchised. Michigan Repuublicans for instance were planning on blocking people merely because they got foreclosure notices. You don’t lose your right to vote based upon mortgage status.) To prevent all of this from happening, I believe we should have universtal voter registration. you register once with the federal government and you’re then registered wherever you move to in the US. It works for social security, it can work for voting. That would solve all of the voter registration problems. ACORN would go out of business in just a year or two.

  39. Jenn Q. Public on October 24th, 2008 1:34 am

    ChokeOnAFatOne – you might want to pick a different handle before you accuse people of doing distasteful things. By the way, your accusation of bigotry is also something I expect of Obama supporters – that strategy is part of the divisive identity politics that drive his campaign. If you want to prove me wrong, you’re more than welcome to exchange your talking points rhetoric for reasoned arguments.

  40. Jenn Q. Public on October 24th, 2008 1:35 am

    Of course I speak out against it, to anyone who’ll listen. But I’m not a member of ‘the left’, thank you very much.

    My mistake. :)

  41. Jenn Q. Public on October 24th, 2008 1:36 am

    ACORN would go out of business in just a year or two.

    Amen to that. Although as it stands, their future ain’t lookin’ too bright.

  42. Rob Taylor on October 24th, 2008 1:40 am

    Yes. Too late. the left has spent a decade teaching kids who are the backbone of you’re movement that we republicans are literally evil. That we kill Muslims for fun, rob from the poor and are the true culprits of 9/11. Now they are physically attacking us and we’re supposed to what? Blog about it?

    ACORN is funded by the Democrats so it’ll never “go out of business’ and the time of elections in this country is quickly drawing to a close. I’ve spent 3 years being called a race traitor (by White liberals) a Jew (as if it’s an insult) and threatened with death by people just like you. So yeah Brian, too late.

    If Obama doesn’t win you’ll be out on the streets rioting too. If he does you’ll be watching the celebratory riots of your Obama supporting friends. Either way what exactly do you think we should do when someone is throwing bricks through our windows? Talk it out with them?

  43. paratha on October 24th, 2008 1:44 am

    The guy with the vulgar name said “I’m sick of seeing Americans seperate themselves from their own people when numerous other countries hate us and would like to see us perish for our liberties.” That’s exactly why we should vote for McCain. I wish I could transfer through osmosis to these people everything I have read in the past year about why Obama’s plans can not succeed. His hopey changey speeches sound nice, but his “substance” is lacking. If hope and change could keep us safe, aid our neighbors, create jobs, fix social security, and accomplish tort and health care reform, I would vote for Obama. Those things are too important to risk on empty rhetoric so McCain has my vote.

  44. ChokeOnAFatOne on October 24th, 2008 2:08 am

    I happen to like my handle, thank you.
    What’s the point in trying to prove you wrong? Not everything is that cut and dry.
    This is all a matter of opinion here, and I’m simply stating mine just as the rest of you have.

    But I often wonder to myself, if Barack Obama wasn’t mixed, would he really be as “risky” as everyone is trying to paint him to be? Since when has an international education been a flaw? Just because he attended a school in Indonesia for a couple of years that was Muslim based, he’s automatically a Muslim himself? How many people do you know who’ve went to parochial schools and then later in life disassociate themselves from their parentally-engrained religions?
    Because he doesn’t want to ban abortion, people want to pretend he’s the baby-killing anti-Christ. Maybe he’s just realistic enough to know that it’s really not going to change anything. It would just lead to more backroom, coat-hanger abortions with really, really bad results for all involved.

    Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review and McCain barely managed to squeak by in the naval academy, graduating in the bottom 5 of his class. He accumulated an impressive numbers of demerits for irrepressible and irresponsible actions, such as ditching a plane in Corpus Christi Bay and flying so low in Spain that he cut down power lines and deprived part of the country of electricity for a while. Wow, that’s the kind of wreckless behavior I’d like in a president!
    But here I am getting off topic…

    This election has become one big circus and I think that bulls*** like this article are just fueling the fire.
    Do you honestly, seriously, consider that B on her cheek to be “carved”? Does it look like someone actually used a knife? I have butter knives that would do more damage than that.

  45. ChokeOnAFatOne on October 24th, 2008 2:28 am

    Umm, hey paratha… I’m not a guy.
    And I don’t think that McCain’s plans will change anything, at least not for the better.
    Frankly, I don’t make over $250k yrly. The Bush tax cuts have done a whole lot of nothing for me.

    I have looked at their tax plans, the voting records, the pull-out time table that Obama had for Iraq (as opposed to us being forced out now), the unethical actions of Palin in her own state, the flip-flopping of the 2000 McCain (when he truly was “the Maverick”)and the 2008 McCain where he now mimicks Bush, how in 1993 he spoke out against the unnecessary campaign spending that his VP is now doing….

    I’ve been keeping watch on numerous publications and shows, as well as researching things for myself. I’ve read Barack Obama’s 1995 book ‘Dreams from My Father’ for myself to try to better understand his overall mentality. And John McCain in no way has won my vote. He was just a seemingly nice old man in the beginning, but after he chose Palin for his VP… forget about it. I’ve done quite a bit of research on her in particular (given his old age and health issues), and I would personally hate to see her gain control of our country.

    And what I meant by the statement you quoted, was the racial and cultural division that still exists in this country. I know that you can’t change everyone, but I will be the change that I aspire to see in others.

  46. Jenn Q. Public on October 24th, 2008 2:54 am

    But I often wonder to myself, if Barack Obama wasn’t mixed, would he really be as “risky” as everyone is trying to paint him to be?

    Before you try to raise the specter of racial motivations for finding Obama “risky,” you should note that several of the commenters in this thread are from mixed race families. This probably isn’t the place to make that argument.

    By the way, you’re the first one here to bring up the “Obama is a Muslim” meme. It’s a ridiculous distraction and a falsehood, but since it’s part of your astroturfing talking points, I guess you had to bring it up. The same goes for the issue of abortion. It never occurred to you that I’m pro-choice, and plenty of other Republicans are too. And for the record, I’ve never commented on either candidate’s educational experience.

    Obama is a bad choice because I disagree with his ideas, not because I take issue with his race or religion. For example, I believe reducing taxes for businesses is not corporate welfare, it’s an investment in job creation. I think a muscular foreign policy is good for the U.S. and good for our allies, and helping fledgling democracies achieve their goals is good for everyone. I am also a federalist and believe that many decisions should be left up to the states. In my view, the Supreme Court justices are entrusted with interpreting the constitution, not doing what strikes them as fair based on their morals and values. Those are just a few of the issues on which Barack Obama and I disagree.

    It isn’t always about race, although I’m sure that’s what you’ll tell yourself when Obama loses the election.

  47. Jenn Q. Public on October 24th, 2008 3:18 am

    I am sending new comments to moderation while I focus on other projects for a bit. Thanks for contributing to the discussion – I will approve new comments when time permits, and probably in a matter of hours.

  48. Brian on October 24th, 2008 3:56 am

    “I believe reducing taxes for businesses is not corporate welfare, it’s an investment in job creation.”

    How is giving big oil huge tax breaks, for instance, going to create jobs? They already make tens of billions of dollars in profits each quarter. It’s small businesses that create the majority of jobs and more than 90% of them will get a tax break under Obama. His tax cuts target people and companies making less than $250,000, which is the vast majority. The Bush administration has been reducing assistance to small businesses and McCain supports the continuation of those policies.

    Also, studies show that the economy does SO MUCH better under democratic administrations as opposed to republican administrations. The reason is because democrats create policies that help the average worker, which energizes the economy. Republicans create policies that reduce taxes on the wealthiest, which increases the burden on the poor. Tax cuts for the wealthy doesn’t create jobs as much as it merely makes them richer.

    the income gap between the average worker and the average CEO has dramatically increased and the middle class has shrunk. wholesale deregulation and bush-style tax cuts are what have caused that. look at LCURVE.ORG and you’ll see the frightening distribution of income in our country.

  49. Dave on October 24th, 2008 11:39 am

    “It doesn’t matter whether Ashley was genuinely attacked for her political beliefs…”

    Are you flipping kidding me? Since when do conservatives not deal with facts, but with things as the way they imagine them to be?

    Oh, wait… since the neo-cons took over. My bad.

    Response from Jenn Q. Public, 10/24/08 @ 11:43 pm:
    I just found Dave’s unintentionally funny comment while clearing out the moderation queue – it’s too much trouble to turn comments back on, so I’ll just respond here. Dave, there wasn’t a shred of accuracy in your comment. I’m not a conservative, this post wasn’t about dismissing facts, and the neo-con takeover only exists in your anti-Semitic fantasies. Ashley Todd turned out to be a unrepentant liar and a racist to boot. That doesn’t change the fact that even the liberal media believed her story because a highly visible segment of Obama’s supporters have demonstrated that they’re willing to go to extreme (and illegal) lengths to win the election for their candidate.

    I haven’t suggested that the majority of Obama’s supporters are so inclined, and I hope with every ounce of my being that they’re not. But it says something that Obama and his surrogates attract the sort of supporter who would beat a woman with her own campaign sign (as happened in NYC recently). It says something that the unhinged left uses sites like HuffPo and Kos to smear the Republican candidates and their children, and yet Barack Obama is willing to write for HuffPo. It says something that so many liberals are willing to engage in fraudulent donations and the Obama campaign is willing to accept them. Is this a product of Obama encouraging a permissive, anything goes environment among his acolytes? Is it a demonstration of Obama’s poor judgment and the kind of example he sets? Certainly a man can’t be responsible for every one of his followers, but he can sure as hell do a lot more to make his campaign a much less hospitable place for them.

  50. Patrick on October 24th, 2008 2:07 pm

    Plausible? Right. About as plausible as McCain’s plan to win Pennsylvania.

    PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ― Police sources tell KDKA that a campaign worker has now confessed to making up a story that a mugger attacked her and cut the letter “B” in her face after seeing her McCain bumper sticker.

    Ashley Todd, 20, of Texas, initially told police that she was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield and that the suspect became enraged and started beating her after seeing her GOP sticker on her car.

    Police investigating the alleged attack, however, began to notice some inconsistencies in her story and administered a polygraph test.

    Authorities, however, declined to release the results of that test.

    Investigators did say that they received photos from the ATM machine and “the photographs were verified as not being the victim making the transaction.”

    This afternoon, a Pittsburgh police commander told KDKA Investigator Marty Griffin that Todd confessed to making up the story.

    The commander added that Todd will face charges; but police have not commented on what those charges will be.

    According to police, investigators working on the interview process detected several inconsistencies in Todd’s story that differed from statements made in the original police report.

    Pittsburgh Police Public Information Officer Diane Richard released a statement earlier today, saying: “Because of the inconsistencies in her statements, Ms. Todd was asked to submit to a polygraph examination which she agreed to do.”

    No photos of Todd are being released by Pittsburgh Police at this time.

    The investigation is continuing as officials determine what charges will be filed.

  51. Jenn Q. Public on October 24th, 2008 3:38 pm

    Actually, Brian, Ronald Reagan’s fiscal policies were the most successful of the 20th century. He was responsible for the largest peacetime economic boom in our country’s history, he lowered taxes, increased federal government revenues, increased median income levels, and created more than 34 million jobs. Everyone benefited, not just the rich. We now we have the advantage of distance and hindsight that will allow us to revisit and replicate the Reagan boom.

    I was a young kid during the Reagan years so I didn’t learn about his policies until much later, and if you’ve discounted them because he was a Republican, they’re really worth a second look.

    But look, either McCain or Obama is going to be president in a few short months and we will see firsthand whether their economic policies are good for the country.

    Everyone: thank you for the comments. I am finding it difficult to keep up with the moderation queue (and the deletion of threats and other vitriol that detracts from civil discourse) so I am disabling comments for the time being.