South Carolina: The Fox News of States

It’s no secret that President Obama and his administration have attempted to sideline Fox News, openly punishing the highly rated cable news channel for failing to promote the White House agenda.  Fox was conspicuously shut out of Obama’s five-network Sunday talk show blitz in September, and the White House has already determined that the president will not grant any interviews to Fox anchors during the remainder of 2009.

Alienating the millions of Americans who watch Fox is strategic buffoonery of the highest degree. But why focus on solid strategy when you can engage in some good ol’ fashioned spite?  And why settle for popular news networks when you can make your petty resentments known to an entire state, like say, South Carolina?

U.S. House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn said Friday that a conversation with White House staff left him with the sense that a hostile environment in South Carolina is keeping the first lady from visiting.

The high-ranking South Carolina Democrat said he has received more than 100 invitations for Michelle Obama. But this summer when he brought one of those requests to her staff on behalf of his alma mater, South Carolina State University, Clyburn said her security was an issue.

The conversation came after former Richland County GOP activist Rusty DePass suggested on Facebook in June that an escaped zoo gorilla was not harmful because it was probably one of Mrs. Obama’s ancestors. DePass’ comment was coupled with a remark in July from U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, a Republican. DeMint said that beating the president’s health care plan would be a ‘Waterloo’ moment for Obama.

Congressman Joe Wilson’s ‘You lie!’ outburst during Obama’s joint address on health care reform last month didn’t help either, Clyburn said.

A lot of it has to do with the fact that the climate in South Carolina just is not good, and that’s a shame,’ Clyburn said at a roundtable discussion at his Columbia office.

I do believe it is keeping her away from this state,’ he said.

Emphases mine.

Yes, a moronic South Carolina GOP grunt wrote something shameful about the first lady and a couple of politicians made bold statements about the president and his policies.  How do those comments indicate a statewide climate hostile enough to jeopardize Mrs. Obama’s security?

Simple answer: they don’t.

The White House isn’t keeping Michelle Obama out of South Carolina to protect her from assassins in white hoods.  South Carolina is being kept off her itinerary to send a message: embarrassing the president will not be tolerated.  (Are you listening Joe Wilson?) Dissent will be contorted into proof that racist backwater bumpkins in the south are undermining Obama’s presidency and endangering the very life of the first lady with their dangerous coded rhetoric.

Who cares about smearing the people of South Carolina?  After all, it’s just a red state.

Update: Michelle Malkin links.  Thanks, Michelle!

Update 2: My very first Instalanche. Thanks, Glenn!

Comments

55 Responses to “South Carolina: The Fox News of States”

  1. Michelle Malkin » Michelle Obama is afraid of…South Carolina? on October 13th, 2009 10:15 pm

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  2. Rob Taylor on October 13th, 2009 10:47 pm

    Wait. Are you saying Democrats are hateful elitists who will marginalize whole states based on their own classist bigotry and perceived slights? Democrats? I’m shocked.

    This is just another way the Democrats are trying to turn Americans against each other to distract us from their policies of planned poverty and social decline.

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  4. Pete on October 14th, 2009 5:22 am

    > Wait. Are you saying Democrats are hateful elitists who will marginalize whole states based on their own classist bigotry and perceived slights? Democrats?

    Yeah! They’re probably latte-sipping California liberals or Vermont homo-lovers.

    Sigh.

  5. Jenn Q. Public on October 14th, 2009 6:23 am

    You kiss your mother with that mouth, Pete?

    Next time, read the “about” section before you run off at the keyboard. This blog supports gay marriage, as does the person who left that comment.

  6. Eclectic Radical on October 14th, 2009 8:05 am

    And while I occasionally put some hot cocoa or GFIC Suisse Mocha in my coffee, I don’t drink a lot of latte on a regular basis. I’m more a Dr. Pepper and pizza kind of guy.

    As for who is marginalizing what…

    Rep. Jim Clyburn doesn’t speak for Michelle Obama (regardless of his claims of what the White House staff told him) anymore than a GOP grunt speaks for South Carolina.

    I’m going to be entirely frank (and hopefully someone will be a little bit Margaret):

    The White House doesn’t have to worry about alienating Fox News viewers. Fox News is, to paraphrase Bob Lassiter, support group journalism. People watch Fox News to feel justified in their beliefs rather than to inform themselves and develop their beliefs. So whether one agrees or disagrees with the views presented on Fox News, let’s agree to admit the people watching Fox News are almost assuredly already alienated from President Obama whether you want to claim it is his fault, Fox’s fault, or their own fault.

    Pretending otherwise is naive at best and completely intellectually dishonest at worst.

    Likewise, the reality of the way the electoral college is structured (whether you approve or disapprove of that structure) means that there is no political incentive for the White House to treat South Carolina any differently than it does regardless of what Rep. Clyburn says. It’s why we don’t see a lot of Republican First Ladies in Boston and Montpelier and why Republican presidents who visit California go to Orange County and San Diego instead of San Francisco or Los Angeles.

    Again, these are political realities of which everyone in this conversation is aware whether we alike or agree with them or not. It’s how American presidential politics work.

    Again, it’s pretty disingenuous to pretend there are sinister motives at work. If one wants to attack the White House for ‘politics as usual’ after the lofty slogans of changing Washington, that’s totally accurate. Pretending something new and horrible is happening? Pretty silly.

  7. DB on October 14th, 2009 9:00 am

    Alienating the millions of Americans who watch Fox is strategic buffoonery of the highest degree.</i.

    Sure it is. Actually that statement is buffoonery.

    Yeah! They’re probably latte-sipping California liberals or Vermont homo-lovers.

    Just a little of that Southern charm.

  8. Bill Peschel on October 14th, 2009 10:19 am

    Having lived in South Carolina for more than 10 years, I can confirm that the state’s reputation for racism is still true.

    During the ’90s, it bravely fought the good fight to keep the Confederate flag flying over the capital building.

    It’s also the state where state lawmaker Arthur Ravenel referred to the NAACP as the “National Association of Retarded People.” He apologized … to retarded people.

    It’s the kind of state where you can see one of its residents walk into Wal-Mart with a KKK “It’s a white thing, you wouldn’t understand it” T-shirt, like I did.

    Stay classy, South Carolina.

  9. L Nettles on October 14th, 2009 10:21 am

    Would Mrs. Obama be First Lady without the South Carolina Primary? How soon we forget.

    From the New York Times:

    In his victory speech to supporters in Columbia, Mr. Obama emphasized his message of change, referring to “this country’s desire for something new.”

    “Tonight, the cynics that said what began in the snows of Iowa was just an illusion were told a different story by the good people of South Carolina,” Mr. Obama said, referring to his last major victory in the Iowa caucus. “After four great contests in every corner of this country, we have the most votes, the most delegates and the most diverse coalition of Americans we’ve seen in a long, long time.”

  10. El Tejon on October 14th, 2009 10:24 am

    Why wouldn’t the Obama Administration hate the most racist state in the Union?

    South Carolina had the highest population of slaves, was first to commit Treason in the Civil War, and to this day flies the Cross of Southern Treason over its capitol.

  11. Wright on October 14th, 2009 10:30 am

    FLOTUS not coming to your state? We should all be so fortunate. Count your blessings.

  12. Rocketeer on October 14th, 2009 10:34 am

    Bill, having lived in South Carolina for 5 years previously, and in Massachusetts for 10 years since, I have a pretty unique firsthand perspective too. Do you know what the difference between SC and MA is when it comes to racism?

    In SC, the racists wear t-shirts to let you know right away they’re idiots, and there are fewer of them.

  13. Trent on October 14th, 2009 10:40 am

    Liberal comment posters never paint with wide brushstrokes, do they? (sarcasm off.)

    We are a red state and a visit from Mrs. BHO would be meaningless to more than half of our citizens. Rep. Clyburn owes his position to a gerrymandered-to-the extreme district. He’s a joke.

  14. blaster on October 14th, 2009 10:48 am

    In the 1992 election Bill Clinton went to Darlington. He was booed, the next day, VP Quayle was loudly cheered. Clinton did not set foot on mainland SC for the 8 years of his Presidency (he did go to Hilton Head Island for those Renaissance weekends or whatever).

    Obama won’t go either. Rest assured.

  15. Rob Crawford on October 14th, 2009 10:49 am

    “It’s the kind of state where you can see one of its residents walk into Wal-Mart with a KKK “It’s a white thing, you wouldn’t understand it” T-shirt, like I did.”

    Why would you wear such a shirt?

    (And, really, is such a shirt anymore offensive than “it’s a black thing…”?)

  16. Dark Jethro on October 14th, 2009 10:59 am

    El Tejon:

    Ok, lets go over it one more time for the slow people:

    The Confederate Battle flag was put up on the Dome by Governor Fritz Hollings, a democrat, who was later elected Senator over and over with the support of the NAACP. He is now retired to his exclusive (yes, that kind of exclusive) Isle of Palms estate.

    The Flag was removed from the dome by Governor David Beasley, a republican, who was not re-elected with the help of the NAACP for his troubles.

    The Confederate battle flag does not fly on the Capitol Dome, it flies at a confederate dead memorial on the grounds, and has for some time now.

    Try not to let your bigoted hatred get in the way of your facts next time.

    To quote the great American, Lewis Grizzard: “if you don’t like it here, Delta is ready when you are”

    I see some of you have taken us up on that offer, and we thank you.

  17. DB on October 14th, 2009 11:04 am

    Never been there, but I like South Carolina better already.

  18. Jeremy on October 14th, 2009 11:09 am

    “let’s agree to admit the people watching Fox News are almost assuredly already alienated from President Obama”

    Actually, no. The opinion programming on FOX is obviously overwhelmingly conservative, and the largest group of it’s viewers identify as Republican, but they don’t make up the entire audience (35% in 2004, I couldn’t find more recent numbers online, but I know it hasn’t jumped to 100% since then).

    The rest are Democrats and independents. Although to be fair, some of them are probably also alienated from Obama at this point.

  19. Joshua Sharf on October 14th, 2009 11:24 am

    If South Carolina is the Fox News of states, then Lindsay Graham must be the Geraldo Rivera.

  20. CHILL on October 14th, 2009 11:33 am

    I guess people voting itself out of Union it no longer desired is treason. If that is the case then why did we back, Georgia, Latvia, Armenia, and all of the other Soviet Satellite states that voted themselves out of Russia? Why was it okay for them to do so but not the Southern States? Why is okay to vote yourself into the Union but not vote yourself out of the Union? You have no concept of Liberty my friend.

    You should also remember that all wars are fought over money. The north was not regal in its fight against the south it just wanted to force the south to continue to pay more than its fair share (oh 80% or so) to support the federal government. Remember that the south was tired of sending an exorbitant amount of money north to build those cities that were being overrun with Irish, Italian, and European immigrants. The north needed to keep the south to pay for all of this growth with its agriculture. So just remember that this country was not only built on the backs of slaves, but also on the backs of southerners.

    One last item, the only supreme court justice to vote against Plessy vs Ferguson was a southerner. Could it be coincidence that after the north had created policies barring freed slaves from living in their states that they created a policy separating the two in a land that they knew they could not bar them from? Could it be that the people in power after the north had raped the south wanted to control the ex-slaves by separating them with unjust policies? Could it be that even though the north had all of this control the southerners who could barely eat and were completely destroyed by the war set in motion this policy or more than likely it was the people with the money and the control? Or was it the carpetbaggers who setup policies that controlled the ex-slaves so that they could for a century use their vote to stay in power?

    You need to know something about history before yo come on here spouting off about things you know nothing about.

  21. Acksiom on October 14th, 2009 11:35 am

    Second prize: TWO visits from First Lady Michelle Obama.

  22. Richard of Oregon on October 14th, 2009 11:35 am

    That White House bunch seems about as friendly as a pack of snakes.

  23. anonymous coward on October 14th, 2009 11:41 am

    @Jenn Q public

    ‘Next time, read the “about” section before you run off at the keyboard. This blog supports gay marriage, as does the person who left that comment.’

    Don’t let your reason and facts get in the way of their stereotypes!

  24. Mark in Texas on October 14th, 2009 11:47 am

    CHILL

    As a general rule, sophist defenses of the Confederacy only make people think worse of you.

    As Ulysses Grant said about Confederate soldiers, nobody ever fought more bravely or for a worse cause.

    And all that stuff happened a century and a half ago. Everybody involved has been dead for a long, long time. Time to look to the future.

    What do we have to do to persuade the President and his wife that they don’t want to visit Texas either?

  25. not yours on October 14th, 2009 11:49 am

    Who would expect the president to answer loaded questions directly from GOP.com? No one. FOX is the propoganda arm of the GOP and little more.

    It’s not the administration that being alienated by FOX, is everyone who’s *not* a FOX junkie.

    I even know Republicans who are now embarrassed to watch it.

  26. elaine on October 14th, 2009 11:51 am

    The White House doesn’t have to worry about alienating Fox News viewers. Fox News is, to paraphrase Bob Lassiter, support group journalism. People watch Fox News to feel justified in their beliefs rather than to inform themselves and develop their beliefs. So whether one agrees or disagrees with the views presented on Fox News, let’s agree to admit the people watching Fox News are almost assuredly already alienated from President Obama whether you want to claim it is his fault, Fox’s fault, or their own fault.

    Pretending otherwise is naive at best and completely intellectually dishonest at worst.

    According to a recent Pew Research Center, Fox News has more viewers who are independents or liberals than other news networks have conservatives. Which means that even if a plurality or even majority of viewers are conservative, there are quite a few of the rest of the political spectrum who watch.

    Now… you can make a case for the idea that liberals watch to know what the enemy is saying about them, but I don’t think you can support that statement with facts.

    Further, the Pew Research Center also found that Fox’s election coverage last year was more balanced than the other networks. Hmmm… sounds like your premise is justa lot of words…

    So, maybe you should stop making assumptions about Fox News and its viewers, mmmm, ‘kay?

    I’m also going to add that as someone who was born in the Midwest but moved to the South as a child, I’ve spent a lot of time living in the South and the North. I can assure you that Southern racism is overblown, and a blind eye is turned toward Northern racism.

  27. not yours on October 14th, 2009 11:57 am

    @ Elaine

    Spurious logic.

    No one watches FOX because it’s objective.

    The hard right watches it to masturbate their egos, and everyone else watches for the train wreck.

    And we’re still talking about cable news, which are minute amounts of people compared to network or even radio coverage.

    FOX literally is winning first place of the lowest common denominator.

    And, I’ve had friends who moved to the south, and they say as bad racism was in the midwest, it’s nothing like the open hostility in the south.

    FOX and the GOP literally are becoming niche products for the pissed off southern resentment addicts.

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  29. No Dog in This Fight. on October 14th, 2009 12:13 pm

    Fifty thousand Black Americans,
    Sir,
    fought for Dixie.

    Was that treason?
    I’m just reporting.
    You decide.

  30. Danny on October 14th, 2009 12:17 pm

    I have a friend who has an aunt who knows someone who move up north. She says there is absolutely no racism up there(especially Boston). Or at least they don’t comment on blogs.

  31. Bryan on October 14th, 2009 12:23 pm

    I hope the moron who made the gorilla comment (DePass?) has been successfully purged from any official party role. I have no idea, he could be married to a black woman and have five kids with her, makes no difference. Anyone who at this point doesn’t realize that any comparison of african americans to primates is toxic and full of racial undertones is so tone-deaf and stupid that having them hold any position of responsibility for any party is damaging.

  32. TheRedDuke on October 14th, 2009 12:26 pm

    The Flag is enough reason to stay away.
    The confederate flag flies directly in front of the state house, which is located by design smack at the end of Main St. in Columbia. It is highly visible. I believe it is made out of poly of some kind to give it more loft, as there is never so much as a whisper of a breeze in Columbia. It is not in some out-of-the-way memorial area.

    This flag is/was flown with pride by people who do not consider blacks equals–to identify themselves as people who think blacks are stupid, blacks are smelly, blacks are like children, blacks are criminals, blacks should be enslaved, blacks should be murdered. . .

    If there are other historical elements to this flag that make you want to support it, too f@!#ing bad. Find another symbol. People don’t wear swastikas because Hitler did too many bad things, despite his contribution to the Volkswagon Beetle, to justify it. (This is just an example–I’m not saying the KKK is Hitler, but, well . . . maybe they wanted to be?)

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    If I were Michelle Obama, I wouldn’t bother with visiting, either.

  33. Brian Pig, the other white, err, racist meat on October 14th, 2009 12:40 pm

    Not all of the issues that caused the Civil War are resolved.
    The people who believe and/or fully endorse the notion that slavery was the sole cause for the war are ignorant, foolish, complicit or some combination thereof.
    To many of the issues that were coupled with slavery then to create the conditions for the war are still with us today.
    The issues are not reserved to race, class, region or ideology though an over-abundance is found in the latter.
    To many symptoms of those issues are overwhelmingly present and increasingly found in the federal government employees – from the office of the president on down – as well as in those others who feed off of the public teet.
    And since those numbers represent a clear majority, is anyone surprised by the degenerating condition this country is experiencing?
    History, repeat, etc…

  34. philip sargent on October 14th, 2009 12:49 pm

    Electic radical — you are seriously mistaken in your assertion that Fox News viewers are merely “the choir”. The reason why I and all my friends watch Fox News is because when reporting news the Fox staffs largely present both sides of stories and they do not consciously overlook stories (Acorn, creepy Czars) that might make the annointed one’s administration look bad. Do not conflate the opinion purveyors (Hannity, O’Neil) with the news purveyors. CNN, et al including NYT and Wapo, are opinion purveyors just about 24/7 which is why they are all failing while Fox grows and grows and grows its audience.

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  36. LogicalUS on October 14th, 2009 1:28 pm

    “People watch Fox News to feel justified in their beliefs rather than to inform”

    This LIE was completely obliterated during the last election by survey of voters at polling places which showed that FOX viewers were much more knowledgeable about the candidates, issues and the positions of the candidates as well as their actual records on those issues than all the other networks and newpapers.

    The huge surge in viewership at FOX, it now leads all other news by HUGE margins, is that every other network has simply become places to get Obama’s press releases.

    If you are interested in the type of belts Michelle is wearing this fall or what is more appealing Obama “pecs” or his “dreamy eyes” then watch CNN, NBC, CBS or ABC, however if you want to inform yourself on the proposals and agenda being pushed by this administration you have to watch FOX.

  37. Bill Dalasio on October 14th, 2009 2:01 pm

    not yours on October 14th, 2009 11:57 am

    With all due respect, your argument amounts to “all of my friends agree it is”.

  38. Expatriate Yankee on October 14th, 2009 2:18 pm

    As someone now living in rural SC for four years, after having moved here from Boston MA, where I lived for 12 years, I’d like to offer the following observations:

    -While I’d say it is true that you are probably more likely to encounter the most base expression of racism in SC (eg overhearing some moron redneck use the “N” word), I’d say overall racism is probably less and integration is BETTER.

    There is just far more interaction between whites and blacks down here, with racism in the North just being more subtle. I think Bostonians who are honest would admit that there is plenty of racism up North.

    Right now I live in a pretty upscale neighborhood, and I have multiple black neighbors (with good relations). I honestly don’t think the same can be said about the Boston suburbs.

    -No matter how much he may be politically disliked, I just don’t see anybody threatening Barack Obama, let alone Michelle. That’s just lunacy. There is still Southern Hospitality (YEs, it actually does exist) and the largely conservative population does still respect the office of the POTUS.

    Hilary Clinton isn’t exactly popular either down here, but she came to SC to campaign last year, and got a warm reception. 30% of the population here is black, and there is still tremendous residual support for Obama.

    Frankly, I think Rep Clyburn is full of it. If Michelle Obama showed up, I doubt she would receive anything other than a very warm welcome.

    -The reason the Obamas arent going to show up in SC is simply because there is no political gain to be had by them doing so. SC was one of the only states that went for McCain in the last election cycle, and given that, its unlikely that it would go for Obama in re-election.

    Meanwhile, I find some irony in the fact that Obama is happy to visit Russia (which violently took over Georgia recently) and Egypt (which is run by a fascist strongman), yet he finds South Carolina to be too hostile to visit!

  39. ZZMike on October 14th, 2009 2:19 pm

    This is South Carolina’s gain.

    Obama’s actions only prove his childish mentality: “If you won’t play ball with me, I’ll take my ball and go home”.

    Let’s not forget his reply to the Republican Congressmen who wanted to talk to him about his priorities:

    “I won”.

    Not “We won”. Not, “OK, let’s talk about it”.

  40. rrr on October 14th, 2009 3:19 pm

    “And, I’ve had friends who moved to the south, and they say as bad racism was in the midwest, it’s nothing like the open hostility in the south.”

    I call bs on this and most of what “not yours” wrote. Really, is that the best you can do? And then you have the lack of foresight to write “spurious logic” in response to someone else? Stop the navel gazing.

  41. MarkJ on October 14th, 2009 3:36 pm

    Rocketeer, et. al.,

    Take these Wiki articles at face value, but it’s interesting to note that some of the most bitter battles involving desegregation and busing have taken place not only in the South…but in the North and West.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing_in_the_United_States

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_United_States

    You’re entitled to your own opinions…but not your own facts.

  42. Rob Taylor on October 14th, 2009 4:18 pm

    “It’s the kind of state where you can see one of its residents walk into Wal-Mart with a KKK “It’s a white thing, you wouldn’t understand it” T-shirt, like I did.

    Stay classy, South Carolina.”

    Bill P.-Yet no explanation as to why you’d even have a KKK tee. Only degenerates would even own something like that. Oh I get it you SAW someone do that, your writing just isn’t clear. No wonder your an unpublished author. That sentence was horrible.

    I’m Bi-racial just like your precious Obama, I lived in New York City, New Jersey, Connecticut and all have the same amount of racism, including the same amount of Confederate flags seen by me in CT and SC.

    Of course Black entertainers from the south like Lil John have flown the Confederate flag in their videos as a sign of southern pride. I guess those Black folk are White racists as well.

  43. LEL on October 14th, 2009 4:22 pm

    I live in SC, I was born here and have lived here most of my life. Do we have rednecks and racists? Of course! Just like every other state. We also have a very large black population that loves Barrack and Michelle Obama. And some whites who do, too. To compare the racial atmosphere of 150 years ago to today is ludicrous. IMO, today’s racism is more a reflection of white resentment that there are so many blacks who depend on the government to feed, house and provide them with medical dental and child-care throughout their lives. Blacks can get a free education, and then even without the education, Affirmative Action assures that a more qualified white person will not get a job if a black candidate is in the running for it. In other states, this is not so common. When I lived in Pa., I knew white people who sponged off of the government, too. One family of blacks moved into that town in Pa., but they only stayed about three months, and they moved away. There are very few native white South Carolinians living here now. Most of them have moved away to get jobs and the people who have moved in are from up North. Of course, I’ve gone to one school (near Charleston and Hilton Head) where I was the only white girl in my class of about 32-35. There was one white boy. This would have been in 1970-71. The high-school did not offer a diploma. Upon graduation, you got a certificate saying you had completed twelve years of school. The teachers, principals and all the staff were black. There was no discipline. Kids disrupted class all the time with arguments and knife fights or just got up and left when they felt like it. I don’t remember ever opening a book during class that year. There was no homework. Until you live in the midst of it, you don’t know what it’s like. I was very glad when I went to a school with a more balanced black-to-white ratio. Black-on-white racism is much more prevalent than the other way around here. I did know one white-supremacist family. They lived in a small town and would have Klan marches – about 4 or 5 people, all from the same family, in their hoods and robes. Oh, I forgot to mention that they were all a little “special.” They stopped demonstrating about 15 years ago. I think someone in their family married a black person, but I don’t know for sure. The biggest danger a black person faces in SC is going to black clubs or attending one of the black schools, like Allen or Benedict. They’re likely to get shot or stabbed by another black person, or maybe mugged by a Mexican gang whose indoctrination requires that new members rob and beat up a black woman, usually at a shopping mall. Of course, Jesse Jackson, one of the most famous race-baiters of all time is from SC, where he would spit in white customers’ salads when he served them. But that’s not racism is it? Well, not the kind Michelle O. believes in.

  44. Jack H. on October 14th, 2009 4:23 pm

    A few made “bold statements”? Yelling “You Lie!” is not bold, and it’s not a statement. It’s just embarrassing.

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  46. sofa on October 14th, 2009 4:49 pm

    if that’s all it takes …

    How can we America to tell him off. Then he’ll leave and never come back.

    Yippeee!

  47. Rocketeer on October 14th, 2009 5:16 pm

    MarkJ, do you suffer from poor reading comprehension? To whit – I was saying that the racism is WORSE in MA, becuase there are more racists and they are more subtle, making it far, far more pernicious.

  48. Tryptic on October 14th, 2009 8:04 pm

    How quickly the Obamas forget which state gave them their first legitimate primary victory …

    http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/SC.html

    In any event, let’s put this in perspective:

    1. South Carolinians care very little what Yankees think, particularly those from Massachusetts. Point of fact that there are too many Massachusetts people here already, which seems to be strong evidence that Massachusetts is (and has been) a polluted, corrupt, mob-ridden shit hole. Just having to share a nation with Massachusetts people is grounds for secession under any reasonable constitution.

    2. Jim Clyburn is not particularly bright, nor a particularly effective Congressman despite serving as the Majority Whip (I’m surprised the racist connotations of having a black man serve as the Whip didn’t send paroxysms of p.c. panic down the spine of every progressive weenie in the land]. Clyburn wouldn’t be elected dog catcher if he didn’t hold one of the most gerrymandered districts in the nation … which is fine with me, because it ensures that at least 4 of the other 5 congressmen from S.C. are conservatives.

    3. I would bet you any amount of money the first lady doesn’t return Clyburn’s calls. Clyburn is a bomb-thrower and pork-hound. He is just angry that she dusted his bid to get her to come to Orangeburg, home of the HBCU South Carolina State. Having spent time in Orangeburg, I can’t hardly blame her.

    4. Come 2010, Clyburn will return to his (much deserved) obscurity.

    5. P.S. I don’t dislike Clyburn ‘cuz he’s black. I dislike him ‘cuz he is a typical, no good, diarrhea of the mouth Democrat who would undercut his state for a soundbite. Like Senator Graham …

    6. P.P.S. If Joe Wilson’s “you lie” or Jim DeMint’s “Waterloo” (or, hell, Borat’s visit to the University of South Carolina) make you less likely to visit the Palmetto State, then God Bless You (or if you’re a typical Yankee atheist then Sky Daddy Piss on You) … there are too many damn Yankees here anyway and the people you’re mostly hurting live in the Sixth District by and large so WE DON’T CARE …

    Spes

  49. elaine on October 14th, 2009 9:18 pm

    Not Yours:

    Here’s a tip regarding debating over the internet (or anywhere else, for that matter): you do not win the point if all you do is make groundless, unprovable assertions and then repeat yourself when someone offers facts to refute your statements. In other words, your argument is filled with phail.

    For the sake of comparison (since you claim that network news “creams” cable), here’s the numbers from July (the week of the 23rd — the most recent date I could find in a quick internet search) for the networks:

    Total viewers: ABC: 7,530,000 / NBC: 7,170,000 / CBS: 5,930,000

    25-54 demo: ABC: 2,200,000 / NBC: 2,070,000 / CBS: 1,680,000

    25-54 rating: ABC: 1.8/8 / NBC: 1.7/8 / CBS: 1.4/6

    Yes, that’s larger than cable news numbers, which are as follows:

    Oct 13 overnights:

    P2+ Prime Time
    FNC – 2,735,000viewers
    CNN— 766,000 viewers
    MSNBC –898,000 viewers
    CNBC – 176,000 viewers
    HLN – 694,000 viewers

    When you consider that primetime cable news shows are airing opposite network primetime entertainment programs, then the fact that the cable’s numbers are as high as they are is quite astounding.

    Further, at least two of Fox’s primetime shows routinely have in excess of three million viewers. This is not insignificant, but if you’d like to delude yourself with the belief that it is, so be it.

    For the record, Glenn Beck’s show at 5:00 PM eastern has gotten recent numbers of over 3 million viewers, which is about 40$ or more of network news, and it’s in a closer, more similar timeslot.

    But, hey… why bother with facts when you can simply shout your assertion that only conservatives watch Fox News in order to soak in their own masturbatory juices. I’ve stated the facts; you’ve asserted your opinions. We’ll let everyone else decide whose comments are more valuable.

    On the topic of Southern racism, as a purely anecdotal proof that it’s overstated in the “accepted wisdom,” there’s this observation of mine: I regularly see interracial couples in the South, regardless of where I’ve been. White girls with black men, and black girls with white men — both are pretty common in Knoxville, where I live, and were also common in Atlanta, where I lived ten years ago.

    In contrast, when I lived in the Cincinnati area, I almost never saw interracial couples.

    You can argue that my observation proves nothing, but I think it certainly illustrates a very important point: that Southerners aren’t nearly as racist — by and large — as they’re portrayed in the media.

    But, again, if you’d like to restate your original premise for the third time, offering no actual proof other than your feelings or beliefs, go ahead. It won’t change anything, though…

  50. Dark Jethro on October 15th, 2009 12:36 am

    Another know-nothing opines:

    “The Flag is enough reason to stay away.
    The confederate flag flies directly in front of the state house, which is located by design smack at the end of Main St. in Columbia. It is highly visible. ”

    To use a popular phrase: “you lie!”, it sits behind a Confederate dead monument, you cannot see it from Main St.

    Here is the view from Main St. See the Confederate flag? Neither can I.

    http://www.sciway.net/photos/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2508&g2_serialNumber=5

    “I believe it is made out of poly of some kind to give it more loft, as there is never so much as a whisper of a breeze in Columbia.”

    Wrong again, spanky. Notice how well the heavy cotton “lofts” while the dome flags flutter away in the “whisper of a breeze”.

    http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/88668401.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19356863F2C054EB266F134ED1BB55D5EDFB01E70F2B3269972

  51. krusher on October 15th, 2009 7:16 am

    To Jack H who said:
    (A few made “bold statements”? Yelling “You Lie!” is not bold, and it’s not a statement. It’s just embarrassing.)

    Might be enbarrassing to you but he spoke the truth. As they say, if Hussein Obama’s mouth is moving, then he’s not speaking the truth.

  52. bandit on October 15th, 2009 8:58 am

    Now the Obamas only have to go to 56 states. After all they can always take their ball and go home like the little crybabies they are.

  53. Bart on October 15th, 2009 2:11 pm

    Clyburn is an embarrassment, period. A black racist who has no use or need for whites since the district was gerrymandered in agreement with the political machine in SC so a black representative would always be elected from the district.

    One poster hit the nail on the head. The Obama’s will not come back to SC over safety concerns but to punish Joe Wilson and Jim DeMint. It is nothing but political payback but Clyburn is too wrapped up in his racism to acknowledge anything else. He alluded to Wilson as racist, everything he makes a public comment on is related to race. He is truly a “one trick pony”.

  54. Wakefield Tolbert on October 16th, 2009 7:48 pm

    If only we in South Carolina could return the favor. Too bad we can’t just ban Michelle Ma Belle from the Palmetto State entirely, much in the same way the practitioners of another kind of PC balance their terror ledgers by banning Dr. Michael Savage.

    Yes, I know, we can’t do that.

    It’s not that we should not be vindictive. The Obama administration certainly is, and I feel the people of this fine state should be able to return the pleasure.

    Of course the Prez’s wife has the legal right to go anywhere she pleases, for being an American citizen if nothing else.

    But still, the notion is rapturously enticing, especially in light of the fact that Wilson turned out to be technically correct after all.

    And we all know it.

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